Interview with Scott Marques pt2
|In this week’s bulletin we include the second half of Chris’s interview with Scott Marques, who gives some amazing answers to questions about church and business – well worth a read…|
Q Why do you think it is essential for church leaders to intentionally build stronger relationships with business leaders? How can those relationships help with being more fruitful and Kingdom growth?
1. it results in worship to God. Every time a business leader is going to make a decision from faith and outwork their relationship with Christ in their place of enterprise, it is worship to God. That is what it’s all about – “teach them to observe everything I’ve commanded you and I’m with you always.” So as that happens, it’s worship to God, and that is what counts for eternity – faith expressed in love.
2. for witness, that if these leaders are feeling affirmed and that this is the place that I should shine, versus valid ministry, I’m equipped by my pastors for works of ministry, and I’m working my serving love in the workplace, then they will no doubt have a greater impact evangelistically, and that will result in more people coming to Christ.
3. effectiveness of the church as a whole, if the business/marketplace guys can be drawn into conversations about the church and the strategic direction of the church done in the right context and constructively, that can dramatically increase the effectiveness of the corporate efforts of the church.
Q How do you view the current relationship between church leaders and business leaders?
Within the DNa* context, there is a relatively strong link between church leaders and business leaders because so many of the church leaders are in business. There is less of an emphasis on full-time staff and full-time eldership in our churches probably by virtue of the nature of the economies that we are operating in. And with that comes a communication of appreciation for those in the market, by which in the marketplace, I refer to government, education and business. We would see the marketplace encompassing those sectors. There is dynamic connectivity just because almost everybody is running some kind of enterprise or part of some kind of enterprise, as well as being involved in their church. Especially in the rural areas our church leaders would be in their fields, in their chicken runs, in the cattle crawls and goat pens for a large amount of the time, and much of the rest of their time in preparation, prayer, preaching, pastoral work, etc. So there’s a very dynamic link between business involvement and church involvement.
Q What would you like to see change in the global church relating to business?
I would love to see change in terms of the church and business connectivity in four areas:
1. In our preaching I want to see more affirmation of the workplace, and intentionally equipping of people to fulfill God’s call on their lives in the workplace. This is so important as taught by Paul & Peter – that discipleship is a lifestyle that is lived out and so much of our lives are lived out in the marketplace. So applying things in a way that is affirming where you are as a mum at home, as a driver, as a person on the production line, as the head of a school…..Everyone should feel equipped to be able to do what they are involved in, in a way that is worship to God, and affirmed in all that stuff that isn’t a second-class citizen-in-heaven-type position.
2. I’d love churches to frequently profile their own people who work in the workplace, and celebrate them; especially different aspects of how people are working the kingdom of God in their different areas of work.
3. Include marketplace people on real specifics of the church finances and opportunities for advancing the Kingdom, and invite them into strategic planning.
Not all marketplace people are as spiritually wired as others so there are some risks, but again it’s part of the process of growing them and getting the synergistic benefits flowing.
4. Pastors making time to visit people at their place of work, connect with what they are connecting with, to see and understand things from the world in which they live in.
Q Is there anything else you’d like to say to church leaders in Europe about God’s heart for business?
My last thought on all this is that it strikes me as I read the scriptures, that the overarching pattern is a pattern of leadership of God’s people. These are people involved in real life, real enterprise, real marketplace involvement, as well as real leadership impact in their local church. Jesus, for example, grew up as a carpenter’s son and then as a carpenter himself. When he was baptized it wasn’t at that point that he suddenly came into the knowledge of the scriptures and the outworking of his faith in his place of life. He’d been doing that all along. We know he’d been at the temple at 12 years old when he said, I will obviously be in my Father’s house. He was out-working his faith in his work all his life. And then when he was baptized and started moving around, he used so many marketplace illustrations. And so his connection with people’s place of work was very dynamic. You didn’t get the feeling like he had now gone into full-time ministry.
I’d say the same for the apostle Paul, who we very clearly know at times earned his keep, whilst teaching, planting churches, doing miracles, etc. Peter would be another very good example, as a fishermen; as he came to Christ, he remained very much connected with the marketplace and people in their area of work. And as you reflect back on the Old Testament, similarly, all the heroes of the faith were not sort of full-time ministry guys, as we would understand them to be today, Nemiah, Daniel, Samson….they were either warriors or leaders or farmers or cup bearers or working under Nebuchadnezzar, whatever it was. Joseph would be the same. You see a connectivity of church leadership in marketplace involvement, with a very seamless connection.
*Scott is a lead elder in the River of Life church in Harare, Zimbabwe, lead one of the Newfrontiers Teams serving churches across Southern Africa called Disciple Nations (DNa) and also has a leadership role in several businesses. Interviewed and summarised by Chris Page.
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